5 90’s Hidden Gems.

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You are now listening to the someone's favorite productions podcast network.

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What's up, listeners?

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I am your host X Video Store Clerks,

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screenwriter and fellow listener Jason Kleberg and this is Force Five.

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A show where I force my guest to come up with a movie theme top five list topic

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and then we reveal our picks on air.

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Jordan Courtney from Film Shake, the 90s movie podcast, joined me once again to talk five 90s hidden gems.

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And when I say hidden gems, Jordan brought his A game.

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There are three films on his list that I had never even heard of.

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And I can almost guarantee that even if you are the most hard core,

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cinephile, there's going to be something on our list today that it's going to make your ears perk up.

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If you're a long time listener to Force Five, welcome back.

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And if you're new to the show, I hope you like what you hear.

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A couple notes real quick before I get going this past week.

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I made the decision to stop using all of my social media accounts.

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But I still want to talk movies with you, the listeners.

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So here's the deal.

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Send me an email at forcefivepodcast@gmail.com

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and have a conversation like human beings that way.

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I want to hear what you have never heard of on this list.

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And I'd like some recommendations from you of 90s hidden gems that you may have in your pocket that I and the Jordan may not have heard of.

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And I will send Jordan anything that you send me so he can react as well.

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And you can still find me on letterbox.

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You'll find the link to that in the show notes if you want to talk movies with me.

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Now, because of the lack of social media for the show,

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spreading the word about force five is one of the only ways this show can grow.

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So consider subscribing on whatever platform you're listening on if you haven't already.

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And also rate the show for me.

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I've got some ideas brewing for some other interactive stuff.

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And hopefully I'll have some news on that soon.

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We'll see. I don't know. I haven't really worked it out yet.

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Anyway, here's Jordan Courtney in 590s hidden gems.

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[Music]

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Welcome back to the forcefive podcast.

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Today, my returning guest is Jordan Courtney,

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a guy who seems to like 90s movies a little bit.

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He's one half of film shake the 90s movie podcast.

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And the last time Jordan was on the main feed was way back on episode 11.

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When along with your co-host Nick, we tackled top five 90s sci-fi films.

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Jordan, how have you been?

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Hey, man, doing great.

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And thanks so much for having me back on the show.

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Yeah, like I said, it's been forever.

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And I've been really enjoying listening to your show and how it's evolved.

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Over the years, so great job with that, man.

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And yeah, I'm doing great.

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Just been cranking out lots of 90s movies as always.

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Indeed. I appreciate the kind words.

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And if you're interested in Jordan's favorite films, you can go back and listen to that episode.

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I actually went back and listened to that episode to make sure that we had talked about your favorite films.

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And we had. And man, it's my vocals just sound so rough.

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So four, four years ago, almost.

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Yeah, I'm scared to go back and listen to my early episodes as well.

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I don't know why that's good as I would like.

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Not great, not great.

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But we're not worried about the past year today, well, until we get to our list.

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Right now we're worried about the present.

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I'm going to ask, Jordan, what are some cool things that you've seen lately that you liked?

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Well, speaking of the present in the past, I feel like I'm always in the past because I'm just, you know,

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I'm doing a 90s movies podcast. I'm constantly looking back at older decades of cinema.

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I've seen a few things in the theaters this year.

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Nothing that's really grabbed me a whole lot, but I've been diving into some favorites of mine and discovering some new stuff.

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So I don't know if on that episode 11, I shouted out this movie in my favorites.

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I probably did if knowing me, but this year I rewatched with Nail and I from 1987,

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which has been just like a top five movie of mine.

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Just really hilarious, drunken, British comedy, just this very cult movie, starring Richard E. Grant,

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and a magnificent drunken performance. It's really great. Have you ever seen this?

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No, I haven't. And it's been recommended on this show to me before I just haven't gotten into it yet.

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Nice. Yeah, it's basically two actors at the end of the 60s.

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We're just going to fed up with London City Life, decide to go on holiday in the country.

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And it's a grave mistake because they're just met with torrential rain and like a raving homosexual uncle who wants to have his way with one of the guys.

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And just all sorts of craziness. And it's one of the most quotable movies I've ever seen.

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And I can just rewatch it over and over again. So that's basically what I've been doing this years.

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Rewashing that movie and quoting it on like a Facebook group is where basically they'll find like any image and somehow relate it to the movie and bring like a quote to that movie.

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It's just like every little piece of dialogue is quotable. So that's an old one that I've just kind of fell in love with again.

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And then for a new discovery, watch 1977's Rolling Thunder.

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Oh, love that one with William DeVane. So I'd never seen it before. I mean, I had known that Quentin Tarantino named his production or his distribution company at some point, Rolling Thunder.

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And that it was just, you know, a Paul Schrader film, same writer for taxi driver. So it's got a lot of the same kind of vibe to it.

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But really love this revenge flick. Just love William DeVane. I think he should have been, you know, a bigger movie star, like had more like starring roles.

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He says, looking back at his filmography, I don't see a ton and I haven't really seen a whole lot of his other movies, but yeah, he's awesome in this as this Vietnam vet who returns from the war.

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He's like back in Dallas, Texas in the 70s. And then he's like awarded all these silver coins on live TV.

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And then of course, you know, some bad guys come to his house and like murder his wife and his son and chop off his hands.

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Yeah, got to get those coins, but they chop off his head and a garbage disposal. And then he gets like a hook for a head. And then he goes after the guys.

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And I know he's just he's just such a badass, but his wife is also like leaving him for like another man soon as he returns home from like a POW camp was just like so rough.

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But yeah, he's great in this. And it's just really great and Arley revenge thriller with Tommy Lee Jones as a super young role. And he's just epic in this movie as well.

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So yeah, really enjoyed that. I love rolling thunder. My favorite part in that movie is where Bill Devane is explaining to Tommy Lee Jones that they need to go and get revenge.

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And Tommy Lee Jones doesn't ask any questions. He's just like, fuck it. Let's go.

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Right. No, yeah, it's it's really kind of chilling because he it's like badass, but also like man war has changed these men. And he's just like, all right, let me get my gear.

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And he's just like ready to go kill like all these people just at the drop of a hat. It's crazy. I agree. I think Bill Devane could have been way bigger. He for me, his most resident role with me is as the president's advisor on 24.

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He was on 24 for a long time. I think he was an advisor, but yeah, he was on there for a couple seasons. And I really loved his character.

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You mentioned to me just off hand as we were emailing back and forth that you're starting to get into VHS collecting tell me a little bit about that.

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Oh man, it's it's like a rabbit hole of try to avoid going down for a while now because I've been through like, you know, any sort of analog audio or video collecting to a degree.

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But yeah, I worked for the public library and we started to do some offering video conversion for people that have like old home movies on, you know, VHS tape. I even had like an old beta max player in my closet from years back that I got working.

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And I've been converting like all my home movies to digital to preserve them and will be offering that to some of our patrons who want to do the same. So feel like that's just kind of like inevitably open me up to like weirdo VHS collecting like just, I don't know, just the covers and the like socially like horror or cult stuff.

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So they just like looks really wicked on VHS and has that certain kind of grimy charm to it. So I went down like a real rabbit hole for a while collecting audio cassette tapes like from the 90s like alternative rock and stuff.

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So yeah, I just, I just get into these obsessive modes where I'm just like, what other nostalgic thing can I dive into now? So unfortunately that's where I'm at.

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Nice. So you have how many tapes now VHS? Yeah.

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Not really a whole lot just been in the last like I had I'd found like a pulp fiction VHS tape at a estate sale and that kind of like sat on my shelf for a while. I'm like that does look pretty cool.

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And it had like I even for our digital conversion thing I captured some of that because it had like an interview at the end with Quentin and like the extra bonus scenes and I'm talking about it. So it's just like I wonder how this looks and sounds and it's probably on YouTube or whatever was just like a fun thing to do on your own.

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Sure. So yeah, I was I was actually very impressed at the audio quality even though like the video look like shit. I was like, bad this audio held up pretty good. But yeah, then like I don't know, it was just today I went to one of our record stores and the dude had brought out like a bunch of like anime like 80s or 90s anime VHS tapes. I was like, damn it. I've got to buy.

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So like they might be worth money in anime sometimes limited runs. Yeah, yeah, I mean I was looking on eBay and stuff. So she's like, all right, let me let me stop or I spent all my money.

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Are there any like rare tapes that you're going to keep your eyes open for? Oh man. So I roughly talked about we must have talked about a cure on our sci fi episode. Even though that's 80s not 90s.

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I don't know. I feel like maybe we brought up Akira or maybe it was on some other anime episode that I did, but Akira from the 80s is like my favorite sci fi movie, my favorite anime movie of all time.

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And my best friend actually grown up like the first time that I saw that movie. I watched it on VHS with my friend from down the street.

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And he still has his tape. So I contacted him today and I was like, Hey man, let's get together and watch that. And I will capture that digitally and give you a copy. So I'm looking forward to that.

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Very cool. I had a guest on here not too long ago. Dan Kinnam. He made the documentary, a gesture tracking, which if you haven't picked that up, I would advise you to pick that up. It's got tons of interviews with VHS collectors.

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And they outlined some really interesting tapes. There's a tape called Demon Queen that fetches like thousands of dollars.

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Tales from the quad dead zone. That's another one that I know is super rare that gets a lot of attention when it gets on eBay.

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There's some people have these alerts set up and some of these cats are on there like every day looking for tapes.

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I don't want to get that into it honestly, or I'm just like, I'm not spending $50 on a tape. I don't know. It's looking at eBay and some of the prices.

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I'm like, this is a little out of hand, but I found the movie Heavy Metal, the animated Cartoon. I found that for like three bucks. So I was like, All right, I'll buy that.

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I think it's a good little shelf piece or something. Well speaking about the past, what's going on over at Film Shake these days?

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Yeah, so this year we've been covering all 1999 movies for the 25th anniversary.

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So we've recently just covered Bing John Melchowicz, which is one of my favorite movies. I think it might have been on my top five sci-fi 90s.

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Nick hates it though. So this was the first time that he had ever seen it. So we got in a big fight over that.

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We watched the sixth sense, which I'm kind of Luke Wormon and it's like his favorite movie of all time. So we got in a big fight over that.

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And then we watched the Blair Witch Project, which I had never seen. So that was, you know, an interesting run of like, I don't know, all this contentiousness over these favorite movies of ours.

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And then we both kind of landed on Blair Witch like really enjoying going back and watching that.

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So yeah, lots of heated debates getting a little dicey there. I thought we were going to break up the, the pod.

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But no, it's been really fun looking at this particular year focusing on 1999, you know, which some would say is the best year in cinema.

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And on top of that, Nick and I have just been watching like a ton of 1999 movies on our own. And I think he's logged like 80 plus 99 movies this year.

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99, I would have been not yet working at the video store, but I was, I had a friend that worked at the movie theater. Well, his brother worked at the movie theater.

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So we would all get to go for free and we go in on a Saturday, like 10 o'clock and we just jump movies all day long until, you know, we had to leave.

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Yeah. And so I think I saw most everything that came out in 99 just because of that year.

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That's, yeah, that's a lovely way to spend your time as a 12 year old or whatever, you know, just live at the movie theater, miss those days.

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I have a 99 movie on my list today. So we'll see if that comes up.

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I try, yeah, I got one, I got one on my list too. I felt like I had to represent.

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Go check out film shake if you want to hear Jordan and Nick breaking up on a consistent basis and then coming back together over a player wedge project.

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Yes. Well, let's talk top five 90s hidden gems. So you hit me up. You said, Hey, I don't know if anybody's done hidden gems.

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We ended up narrowing it down to 90s, kind of fit the theme. What drew you to the topic of hidden gems?

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Yeah. So hidden gems are really interesting to me from the 90s and in particular, just because I think we do, you know, mix it up a good bit for the show where obviously we have to cover, you know, things that we think will interest both ourselves and our listeners.

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So we might be revisiting things that we already know about for our main feed.

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And so really kind of on a side quest, like getting to dig deep into some obscure films from the decades, really fun.

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And there's such an independent filmmaking boom in the 90s that there's just a lot of small pictures with great cast, great stories, you know, that never made it really big.

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They're made on like a shoestring budget, but they're really fascinating.

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So always like diving into, you know, mostly genre fair, like neo noir from the 90s is a big thing for me.

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Just other like under the radar stuff within horror or thriller, but you know, you have your your heavy headers like early 90s erotic thrillers like basic instinct, but then it's like, well, what are some of those underseen ones that kind of ripped that off or did something different.

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So that's kind of what, you know, got me thinking about this.

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And I think the neo noir play, I think I have two neo noir's on my list. So we'll see if we match up at all. I really love this topic. And I think listeners will know I try to highlight hidden gems on list when I have the opportunity.

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You wouldn't believe how many emails I get from people complaining that I put something on a list and left off something way more ubiquitous just because the topic is name top five.

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So I just have to explain like, hey, you know, from the opening, I mentioned it many times before I used to work at video store and that's the video store clerk coming out in me.

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You know, we have top five time travel movies. I'm probably not going to put back to the future on my list because everybody knows back to the future.

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I just I love recommending flicks that you might not be familiar with. And so this topic came across and I'm like, this is awesome.

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It gives me a chance to do five of those right and really dig deep. So I had to really kind of process how I would define a hidden gem, but I'm interested in your take on that.

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How do you define the hidden gem? Yeah, well, first of all, I have to say I really enjoy that aspect of your show where I'm listening and like, oh, I haven't heard of that movie or maybe I've heard of it, but I've never seen it and you're highlighting it.

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So I love that instead of just like, oh, let's give you the top five movies that everybody talks about within that topic. So keep that up, man. You're doing good work.

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But yeah, breaking it down, hidden would imply it's under scene, right? And then a gem would imply it's got some sort of quality to it.

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So films that feel like they're not talked about enough in the broader pop culture or film discussion, but should be because they're great or unique in some way.

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I mean, all this is very subjective because, you know, what's hidden for me might not be hidden for you. And, you know, what's a gem to me might just be trashed as somebody else.

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But, you know, my biggest fear coming into this was, you know, I'm going to sound like some basic bitch, like, pick something that the listeners will be like, oh, that's not hidden at all. I've seen that.

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But, you know, I tried to gauge, you know, basically by letterbox or IMDB, like how many people had logged it or reviewed it, you know, the films I had in mind.

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And then, you know, try and weed some out that way at least. So I'm not just like, oh, like, I had never seen this going up, but apparently everybody else did. So I tried to give that some consideration.

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What is this Titanic double VHS box? I bet nobody's seen the numbers. Yeah, exactly.

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I also used letterbox as my litmus test. So users or users listeners, if you're not familiar with letterbox, you should be. It's where you can log everything that you've seen.

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But, when you log something, it goes into their database. So you can look up a movie and you can see how many people have logged that movie in their film diary.

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And so what I first did is I went and I looked at what I thought would be the most popular films of the 90s. So I looked up Titanic and I looked up the Matrix, which I would think are, you know, two of the most widely seen movies of the 90s.

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And Titanic had 3 million people logged it and the Matrix said 2.9 million. So I feel like 3 millions, kind of the top end.

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Yeah. And then I started thinking about middle ones where maybe people have heard of them, but maybe not seen them or they weren't super popular and started whittling down the list that way.

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And I found one that I thought, you know what, this is probably a hidden gem and I looked it up and that was around 25,000 logs, which was way more than I thought it would be.

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So I decided that my hard stop was going to be 10,000 letter box logs that was going to be anything under 10,000 is probably under seen. Now on my list, the most logs that I've had for my number five is going to be 6400.

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And then I have one on here that has as little my number one has 171 logs.

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Nice.

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Yeah, so this is going to be fun. Jordan Courtney from Film Shake, are you ready to get into our list? I'm ready. Let's go.

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You know what's going to happen?

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How long is happening right now?

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How long is it going to happen?

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No, no, no, no.

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Of course, you just made the list.

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Five 90s hidden gems. I'm going to kick us off here and I have mine on my list in order of the amount of logs on letter box.

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So we're going to go from the most, which is 6400 down to 171. And at 6400, I have a 1997 film with a fantastic ensemble cast.

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This movie is called City of Industry.

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The plan.

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So we're skipped. I'll be down tonight. Who else is coming? I'm Brother Roy. I do a gibbon.

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What's in there?

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It's a West Coast distribution site for the Russian diamond tree. Where do you get your information?

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I bought it.

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We're on the heist.

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Has on me!

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Let's go.

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The goods.

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We did great, kid.

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I think we'll do pretty good for today's work.

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So much you made.

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He says we took down two or three minutes.

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How much you didn't get?

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The betrayal.

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This is directed by John Irvin. He is probably most well known for raw deal and hamburger hill.

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But like I said, incredible cast here. Harvey Kytel plays the lead. Steven Dorf plays the antagonist.

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And then you have smaller roles for Timothy Hutton, Famic Johnson, Michael Jai White, Lucy Liu, and even an Elliott Gould cameo.

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But this movie is all Kytel. He plays this character named Roy.

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He's a retired criminal. He comes out of retirement to help his brother Lee with a jewelry heist down in Palm Springs.

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Also on the team, he has a guy named Jorge. He's a guy who's just trying to make some money for his family because he's about to go away for a long time.

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He got picked up on a gun charge.

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And Skip is played by Steven Dorf.

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He is the man. He's wearing such a 90s outfit.

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He's got these like wrap around Oakley's with the yellow lenses.

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He's the getaway driver. He's the wild card.

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And the stick up at the jewelry store, it's they pick a very specific day because there's a crooked consulate member.

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He's going to deposit a large illegal diamond shipment there.

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Heist goes off without a hitch. They get out of there. Everybody's happy.

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But it's a it's a noir film. And you know, there's going to be a double cross.

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And of course that's Skip because you can't wear yellow Oakley's a not be a bad guy in the 90s.

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Especially not the 90s.

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Yeah, and especially not Steven Dorf. He's not playing like a straight man here.

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No, not ever.

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So they're counting their fluid out. They're figuring out how big the score is.

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It's around three million and Skip shoots both Lee and Jorge.

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And Roy somehow gets away.

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And that's where our cat and mouse game begins because Roy knows Skip has a couple of days to get rid of these diamonds at best.

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And Roy knows all those guys that he could try and fence the diamonds to so he's kind of doing his best to stay one have one step ahead.

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I think this gets lost a little bit in the post 90s Tarantino crime film mountain of movies that you would have seen at the video store.

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But I think it's worth watching for a couple of reasons. First off, Harvey Kaitel is awesome in this role.

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Especially once the second act starts and he has this weight of his dead brother really on his shoulders.

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He's freaking out at times. He's got some great one. He's got some great lines.

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I won't say one lineers because it's not like comedic, but he's got some great lines.

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Somebody's like, why don't you call the police?

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And he looks at her dead in the eye and says, I'm my own police.

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Just lines like that that I really love.

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And then of course, Steven Dorf. He's great in this. He's this slimy villain.

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But I really I enjoy him as a villain. It's a really solid underrated LA neon.

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Or it's worth checking out. It's got a great soundtrack to which I know you would appreciate massive attack tricky lush death and Vegas.

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Oh, nice.

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Yeah, just overall big fan Kevin Costner was originally attached to this.

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And at the time the budget was 30 million bucks.

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And when he left the project, the budget went down to eight million.

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So yeah, city of industry at number five for me from 1997.

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Nice man. Yeah, I've definitely got to check that out just for the cast alone.

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Harvey Kitell in the 90s Brad Dorf. That's awesome.

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All right. So number five for me on letterbox. This has 11,000 logs.

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So a little bit over that 10, but not by much.

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This is 1991's stone cold.

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They warned him when he went undercover that this would be a most unpleasant assignment.

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I look forward to it.

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But nobody expects him to be pleasant.

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They put down the dog pranks for everybody.

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Brian Bosworth is stone cold. And then some red it are.

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So this is directed by Craig our backstreet.

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And he was apparently a stunt man before he became a director.

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So you know, anytime you have like a stunt guy go director, I feel like you're going to get like just kind of balls to the wall action nonsense.

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And that's exactly what this movie is.

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So you've got Brian Bosworth.

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He plays Joe Huff.

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He's a tough loner cop with a flare for infiltrating dangerous biker gangs.

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So the FBI blackmail's him into an undercover operation.

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And he infiltrates the brotherhood, which is a Mississippi biker gang led by Lance Henrickson.

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And his name in this movie is chains.

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Of course.

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Yeah, of course.

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That's wild look at you. He's got the not Oakley's, but he's got these like purple circular sunglasses on in this like really long crazy hair and beard.

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And you also got William Forsyth in this and he's amazing.

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I think he plays a guy named ice.

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But you've got stuff where like Brian Bosworth has a pet commoto dragon for some reason that lives in his apartment with them.

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And I love a good like movie scene where you just take a blender and you put lots of random shit in it and blend it up.

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And then you know, the action star drinks it.

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But in this one, he blends up like, you know, snickers and chips and whatever, you know, pepped a bismol or whatever, you know, they put in there.

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And then he feeds it to his his commoto dragon for like a wake up meal.

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And then, you know, of course, he's he's doing all the action stuff where at one point he shoots like a guy who's chasing him through a courthouse with a bazooka or something and the guys chasing him on a motorcycle.

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So the bazooka kills a guy on the motorcycle, but then the motorcycle flies out the window and in pales a helicopter, which then crashes into like a car that explodes that then triggers an explosion of other cars in the parking lot.

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So I mean, like if all that doesn't really get you go it, I don't know what else to so definitely check out stone cold if you haven't already.

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So cold delivers it's hilarious. I saw this keynote put it out in a really good blu-ray last year, I think. I maybe saw it six, eight months ago.

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Had such a great time with it. He's so fun.

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Yeah, I feel like I must have must have seen a lot of people talking about it because of that on Twitter. And I had never really been familiar with it.

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So that's what got me to go check it out. And I'm really glad that I did.

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We have two of the best villains in the same movie with Lance Hendrixen and William Forsyth. You can't go wrong.

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Yeah. And I mean, if also it's just it's just full of ridiculous gratuitous nudity and strip clubs like I think they go to a strip club name tit for tat.

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And it's just like, okay, let's just throw in the scene and a strip club of course because we're 90s action movies.

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So, you know, if that's your thing. That movie. So my number five was originally offered to Kevin Costner. I don't know if you know Stone Cold was originally offered to Arnold Schwarzenegger.

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Makes sense.

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And they couldn't pay him what he wanted. I think it was like, you know, his $20 million fee and they just couldn't swing it.

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Yeah, I'm really glad though that Brian Bosworth ended up getting that role. And I feel like again, another guy who, you know, he was like what a linebacker for the NFL or whatever.

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His movie career didn't really take off like it should have, but I know he's really charismatic and fun and this and I would have loved to see him do a lot more and get bigger.

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Yeah, I thought it was fun. Yeah.

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Well, on my number four here, it's got a little bit in common with Stone Cold just in terms of being like a really sweaty movie.

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This one actually takes place in your neck of the woods because you're over in Louisiana, right?

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Right. Yeah, so this is from 1996. It's a movie called Heaven's Prisoners.

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When he turned in his badge homicide detected Dave Robachoe, thought he had put away his past.

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He and me. That's the only thing I have. That means anything to me anymore. But just what he thought he was out.

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I'm in trouble holding back in. You guys smoke, when did you play crash one mile? Do you know what the south west pass?

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I have a bomb suit case for the bunch of child's clothes, but they're when the kid on that plane says when is the D.A. care about some little kid?

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Whoever took out that plane wasn't counting on anyone else, then what they certainly can't come on anyone surviving.

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And this has been logged 2300 times on letterboxery familiar with this one. I'm not. Yeah, I don't know this one.

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All right. Well, if you like neon Wars, obviously the 90s gave us a ton of dusty Midwestern neon Wars,

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but also gave us some really good, sweaty, sunny, southern Wars as well.

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I think wild things I could have put the big easy on here, but I'm going to go with the under scene Heaven's Prisoners,

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which recently was released on region two Blu-ray from umbrella, which is how I learned about it because it was in a package of these 90s and wars.

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So this stars Alec Baldwin playing a recovering alcoholic named Dave. He's a retired New Orleans detective who now spends his time at his bait and tackle shop with his wife Annie.

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And they're just living the cheap good life. And one afternoon, they're chilling on their boat in the Louisiana rivers.

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They see a biplane in the distance and it's really low and they're like, wow, that thing is going really, really low.

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And they realize that it is having engine trouble and it passes right over their boat, causing them to jump down to the deck and it crashes maybe 50 yards away.

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So Dave tosses on some scuba gear. He goes down to find any survivors. And there's only one a young girl who they rescue. And there's a couple of dead bodies in there.

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So obviously the cops come and law enforcement's there. There's like a CIA guy or an FBI guy or somebody there.

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And Dave's old detective tendencies start to show up again. And he starts investigating a little bit because he doesn't feel like everything's on the up and up.

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And he ignores warnings to stop poking his nose where it doesn't belong. And once he does that, his house is invaded and leading to tragedy.

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And that pushes him to find out who the killers are. Another great cast, Kelly Lynch, Mary Stewart Masterson, Eric Roberts sporting the craziest haircut you'll ever see Eric Roberts sport.

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Terry Hatcher. And Terry Hatcher is introduced in it. So she's with Eric Roberts. And Alex Baldwin goes to their house like this old plantation style house.

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And he gets out of his truck. And Terry Hatcher is just standing on the balcony just but naked. And just stairs at him and kind of walks away walks right back into the house. Vandy Curtis Hall is in here as you do.

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You know, that's just Don Stark has a great role in this for those who aren't familiar with the name Don Stark. He plays Bob on that 70s show.

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Donna's dad with the big afro, but here he's this menacing mobster and he has a great scene where he basically tells Alec Baldwin to stop sniffing around. And he has this line where his crony has him in a chokehold and he bends down and says, you're only breathing because I'm in a good fucking mood.

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And I just I love it. It's a really just it's a competently made film with some really nice twists. It's got great performances, fun confrontations got a really good foot chase.

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And I love the ending. So if you're looking for a good sunny neo noir heavens prisoners from 96 is an under scene gym. Nice. Yeah, you had me at sweaty southern neo noir.

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Uh, um, all about it. So that sounds amazing. Let's check that out. I do wonder how well Alec Baldwin is going to do a New Orleans accent.

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He does. He does. He does. He does. Okay, good. It's kind of better if you don't, honestly. Yeah. Now the big easy on the other on the other hand, if that's not on your list, uh, if it is on your list, I'll cut this out.

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But not the big easy watch that one to see Dennis quay doing the most ridiculous attempt at a New Orleans accent because that that's like get some beers and watch that one because you're going to have a lot to laugh about.

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Well, I've seen him do really good like Texas or other southern accents before, but yeah, New Orleans is a specific thing. And especially if you're from here, it just really sticks out and you're just like, oh man, just, just don't, just don't try.

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All right. So my next one is 1994's fresh.

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Esteban is playing for me. The quirky is playing for power, but someone else is playing them ready for the real thing. Fresh ready bar, non-play everywhere.

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Are you familiar with this one? Yeah, I know of it. I have not seen it has a Samuel Jackson, right? Right. So it's got a Samuel Jackson, Giancarlo Espicito.

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They're kind of peripheral characters really. It's mainly about this young boy played by Sean Nelson. He's like a 12 year old drug runner basically. So he's in the projects in Brooklyn.

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And he's, he basically gets to the point where he's fed up with like the murder and mayhem and violence that he sees around him. So he goes to set the different employers like the different drug dealers against each other.

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So I've seen this described as like a yojimbo in the hood kind of thing because it definitely focuses on this kind of chess master like machination of this 12 year old boy who, you know, suspend your disbelief somewhat where he's just like he, he allowed, he kind of elaborately sets up this, this whole game for who's going to take the fall for this, who's going to take the fall for that.

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And you know leads to basically the drug dealers like, often each other. But it's, I thought it was really well done as far as, you know, all that sounds very like genre and very, you know, noir.

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But it's a nice like portrait of just childhood as well and you know, child in these particular circumstances. So I felt like all the kid actors were really great in this, which you know can be hit or miss.

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Samuel Jackson is like his drunken chess playing father that he only sees in the park.

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But he lit basically this boy just kind of like lives in in the projects and an apartment with like 10 other kids in his aunt and, you know, just seeing like all these kids like sitting around in the apartment playing video games and like while he's off like running, you know, drugs and stuff for these different drug leaders in the community.

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And they're all kind of like at some point afraid to go outside because their affiliation with him and like what he's getting caught up in. So I don't know. It's just like it's like a slice of life mostly, you know, until like the very end where it gets more into the like heightened genre stuff.

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But you know, it made me think of other films like juice, which I really love. There's just like a really intense like shooting scene on a basketball court in this. This like an absolute gut punch.

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So it's just it hits really heavy with with the violence, but it has like a purpose behind it. Yeah, it's just it's really authentic. And I really enjoyed like seeing the on location footage like in Brooklyn from the early 90s here.

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Which it also like mixes in a lot of poeticism and like weird editing and like a kind of unexpected score as well. So it's definitely worth checking out. So that's fresh from 1994.

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I mean, you had me at your Jimbo in the hood. I think that kind of sums up. And yeah, that's yeah, that's playing two sides against one another. That sounds great.

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Okay, from my number three, we're starting to go under a thousand logs on letter box. So these are some real hidden gems, I think this next one has 766 logs. Jordan, when I say movies that are so bad that they're that they're so good.

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Like those movies that are really terrible, so terrible that they're entertaining. What's the first movie that comes to mind?

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Troll to troll to that's a great one. That's a great one. Are you familiar with the room? I am familiar with it. You know, I've watched the disaster artist. I have never braved actually watching the room itself.

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But I'm very familiar with the story and you know, Tommy was though and everything.

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All right. Well, what if I told you there was a film that was basically the room mixed with a Van Dam film. Would that get your.

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This is a movie from 1990 called Angel Town. Angel Town. Los Angeles. LA, city of the angels. Angel Town.

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A place where a stranger can forget the best and start a new life, a place where they understand turn. Tradition.

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Where you grab my.

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Crazy. Where is the crazy. Courage. Low. This plot is pretty incomprehensible, but I'm going to give it my best shot.

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I'm going to give it my best shot. I'm going to give it my best shot.

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Now it's kind of unclear whether he's a student or a teacher and I'm pretty sure he's both which is it's very confusing. He's positioned as a teacher who's there to help train an Olympic team of fighters.

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But at the same time, he's also positioned as a student because he acts like a student. He kind of attends things as a student.

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And he's even living or he's searching for a place to live in the student housing. It's like I said, it's very confusing.

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But that's kind of the vibe of this movie. The view that this movie takes of Los Angeles is absolutely insane.

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It's like somebody made a movie about LA based only upon what they saw on one Fox News article or posts from their crazy uncle on Facebook who's never been LA.

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There's a point where he's walking through town. He's looking for rooms and they tell him, don't go past this one street.

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And so he's searching for rooms and everybody's, you know, they got the sign on. It's like vacancy and right when he walks up, they flip it over. No vacancy type of thing.

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And he gets to that street. He looks up at the street sign.

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To one way, you have like a bunch of affluent white girls with shopping bags and then he looks the other way and there's a couple of Hispanic guys in like a rundown home with a broken down car out front and they're playing drums on broken cars.

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Of course.

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And yeah, so this is this is viewed and that's kind of the queue of like you don't go past that that street super racist. It's like the past that one street.

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It's the post apocalyptic Terminator 2 Los Angeles. It's just crazy.

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So the conflict in this movie starts when Jacques rents a room from this lady and her brother is being recruited to be in the street gang.

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But he doesn't want to be in the gang. So the gang leader angel gets really mad and it's you know from the start it's going to come down to Jacques and his band of Olympic fighters going up against angel and his goon squad.

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But I never understand why the gang leader is so mad that this guy doesn't want to be in his gang but they harass these people non stop because of it.

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Some of the choices in this movie are so inspired. There's a scene where the gang surrounds Jacques in this neighborhood.

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And it's like eight or nine guys and they start fighting him and the fight just naturally progresses into these bushes like some type of loony tunes cartoon.

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So everybody disappears in these bushes and you see some guys rolling out of the bushes and then they just kind of dust themselves off and go back into the bush.

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And at one point, Grooner just moves out of the bushes and then it's like those guys are fighting themselves.

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And he just like walks away like a fucking Mentos commercial literal loony tunes cartoon. Yeah, so funny. The real the real gem here is this dude Grooner and is acting bless his heart.

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He is he's trying. But if you thought Tammy Wizo was bad in the room. This is the precursor. It's like he's never acted before and every take was his first one.

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And it's probably true. He probably never acted before and it feels like every take was his first one. And I mean, I can't blame the guy for some of the dialogue he was given.

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There's there's a line. Somebody says ask the frog and he says that's Mr. Frog. I mean, it's it's like that. Right. But very, very entertaining side note.

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Side note, I'm pretty sure that Olivier Grooner wrote his own bio on Wikipedia because I was looking through. I was trying to get more information about this movie.

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I'm going to read the Wikipedia entry. It has to be written by this guy. It says in 1989, he started in his first movie. This is a 1990 movie, by the way.

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He probably just filmed it in 1989 says the urban action movie Angel Town, although the film was not well received Grooner was recognized his presence with his acting compared favorably to that of Dolf Lundgren.

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Like what? And then later on it says in that same article, both Nemesis and Angel Town have been extremely, extremely popular in video.

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And Nemesis is one of the movies Grooner is most proud of in this movie. He offers action drama fighting and gun fights and had to drop down to a 4% body fat to be at his peak physically.

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Oh, is this the guy from Nemesis is that the, um, PUN movie? Yeah. Yep. Okay. I was punished with that for film shake once upon a time. And man, I hated that. I hated like, I just, I don't really like PUN and like any of the stuff that I've seen.

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Honestly, it's just like, I like trash. I always say I like trashy stuff, but I don't know his, his stuff is just, I don't know, it's, it's not for me.

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It's never been that interesting. But yeah, I think I recognize the actor that you're talking about there.

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Angel Town is entertaining and I would highly suggest checking this out. MVD actually put this out on Blu-ray and it has some extras on there.

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They gave it a really good treatment. So that's where I watch this. You should definitely give it a shot. It's one of those like, you know, get the friends together and get some beers.

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Yeah. Well, anytime you have a gang leader named Angel, I feel like that's a sign of good times to come. Yeah, he's just constantly driving around in his, his low rider, of course.

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Yeah. And they're driving him around in it. He stands in the back with an oozy. And he just rarely uses the oozy. People surround his car.

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Waves him off and then they drive away. Sounds great. I'll have to check that out.

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Jordan on to your number three.

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Alright so my number three is 1995's The Passion of Darkly Noon.

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Don't, don't do that. Being naked isn't the same as sex you know. It's the same. I'll surely go admin for us to enjoy ourselves.

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I never met anyone like you before. I know. I think about you.

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Callie loves Clay. She has since the first time she saw it.

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I know what you're feeling. I can see it in your eyes back there.

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You're wrong. Monster of the forest boy. You know what it fades out. Beautiful young man. Just like you.

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I love Clay. God can start me down dead if there's something wrong with that.

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And then she can't succ to tempt and to taste you know.

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That has where you're living now. I live there. My husband found the girl. The edge of the forest.

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I knew she was evil from the start.

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You can walk as far into the woods as you have a mind to go. She attempted him to her.

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And she killed him.

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Oh I've never heard of this. Okay cool. Well this was directed by Philip Ridley.

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But check out this cast. You've got Brendan Frazier, Ashley Judd and Vigo Mortensen.

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And they all you know are heavily featured in this. And the quick synopsis is desire torments a former cultist taking refuge at the home of a scantily clad woman whose husband is away.

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And if that sounds like a basic normal movie then that is not what this movie is.

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I had never heard of it. I had stumbled upon the arrow blu-ray at the library. So just one of those kind of happenstance things where I was looking for one thing and I stumbled on this and I was like whoa.

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Check out this cast like Brendan Frazier, Ashley Judd, Vigo in the early 90s.

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And this is apparently an adult fairy tale set in a mythic American forest.

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So why not? Let's give it a try. But basically Frazier plays this young man who's been separated from a fundamentalist cult.

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He wanders into a forest and he comes to stay with Ashley Judd. And Vigo plays a mute in this movie. It's Ashley Judd's husband.

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And they're in this secluded homestead in the middle of the woods. And Brendan Frazier is you know overacting his heart out for the most part where he's twitching a lot.

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He's stuttering a lot. You know it's like a homeschool kid like to the extreme where he's just you know has all this pin-up sexual desire for Ashley Judd.

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And that soon turns to kind of poison via his religious repression. So you know it's very sumptuously shot.

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It's this golden widescreen takes of the forest sensual sweaty close-ups of the actors like you just have Ashley and Vigo jumping each other's bones multiple times.

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But the the writing the performances it's all very theatrical and over the top. So you kind of either love it or hate it I feel like.

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And it's definitely an intended thing from director Phillip Ridley. So it's basically like a brother's grim fairy tale that eventually turns into like this wildly surreal terrifying nightmare.

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And Brendan Frazier I don't think has ever been more like menacing and animalistic by the end of this movie.

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So that's really exciting to see like we normally just see him kind of play these nice guys right.

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And he starts off the movie that way and like a very stuttery you know repressed form.

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But by the end he's like covered in blood and wielding an axe and you know chasing after Ashley Judd.

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So not just well too much but you kind of know where it's going from the start really.

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But yeah I really thought that was delightfully wicked to have him you know in that type of role.

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The whole film really is just like an extremist style like over the top like art house blended with trashy thriller vibe.

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So it was delicious for me. I don't think everybody would be on this wavelength but it's definitely worth a watch.

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And you know you can't get better than that cast from the mid 90s.

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I have never heard of this movie this is one of the reasons why I do this shows to learn about movies that I had never heard of before.

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It's called the passion of darkly noon.

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Yeah so Frazier's name in the movie is darkly noon that's of course it is yeah that's his cult you know family name or ever form.

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But yeah it's the passion of darkly noon from 95.

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I want to have to seek this out.

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Yes man and the blue the arrow blu ray looks like beautiful it's got great features on it.

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It's got like a whole booklet that comes with it like for this obscure like no one has you know very few people have seen movie.

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They went all out on this thing.

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Well cool I learned about a new movie today.

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Hopefully this next one I can clue you into because I don't I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you've probably never heard of this one.

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This one has 497 logs on letterboxed this is a movie from 1997 called dead silence.

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At 8.30 this morning a school bus containing seven school children from the LaVont player school for the death was hijacked.

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And the children are now being held in an abandoned slaughterhouse some three miles north of the 20th town of Beaumont, New York.

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Hey Dan, right now hurry up.

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I'm John Potter from the FBI. Yes famous voice everywhere in front of this point is considered the kill zone.

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She's out the window. I think I found a way to escape. Get down. Is that what those children are to you? Acceptable casualty?

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No not acceptable but maybe unavoidable.

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HBO Pictures presents.

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I'm shooting. I'm going to shoot her and set the two minutes but I'll give that an amount. He's going to kill them all.

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James Garner. Kim Coates.

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David Abitch and Marley Mapper. One minute 30 seconds.

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15 seconds.

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10 seconds.

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Five, four, three, two, one.

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When you look up dead silence you're going to get I think it's a James Wan movie that came out with a doll from the tens.

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This is a different one. This one is made for HBO. It's a made for HBO film and it stars James Garner as a hostage negotiator who's called an action when three escaped convicts jack a bus full of hearing impaired school children and take them hostage in an abandoned factory.

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Wow.

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So that's your setup.

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Nice.

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It lets you know right off the bat that it is going to go harder than most made for TV films. The three convicts it opens with them screaming down a country road and they smash into a car driven by an older couple at an intersection and the leader of the gang dead jumps out and just blows them away.

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So great squib work and shortly after that you know so there's the two cars that are crashed there at this intersection the school bus comes by and they flag the school bus down and jump into it with their guns drawn and they go to this nearby factory and James Garner is great as he always is he plays John Potter.

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He's a negotiator who has had some time in the limelight unfortunately and he's returning to work after a very publicized hostage negotiation went wrong and they don't really tell you what went wrong at first but you know that it was in Houston and you know that it involved an explosion and so he's got that kind of hovering over his head.

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The reason that I wanted to bring this up is because his foil in this movie his name is Ted.

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He's played by Kim coats now Kim coats is an amazing character who's probably best known for his role as TIG in sons of anarchy but he is absolutely insane in this role he is savage and some of the things he does in this movie really makes you believe that he could kill one of these kids at any moment.

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He douses the area where the kids are being held in gasoline and then he tells one of his guys like anybody comes in here he just dropped this lantern on it and burn up all these kids.

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He does some stuff in here that will have you on the edge of your seat Marley maintenance in this she plays one of the teachers Kenneth Welch is in here as a local sheriff and Scott Speedman has an early role here as a fellow officer and who else is the stunning Lolita Davidovich.

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Comes into the film late as an FBI agent who has a history with Ted so there's some great back and forth between James Garner and Kim coats there's a really exciting escape attempt and there's a really fun third act I was kind of settling in on this movie like I thought I knew what it was and then it there's a little twist in that third act that I thought was really well done.

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It was directed by Daniel Petri Jr who if you recognize the name it's probably for his writing he wrote Beverly Hills cop Turner and who's boys soldiers but he got a directorial chance here and you can watch this well when I watched it maybe a month ago it was on HBO Max so

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Max the one to watch for HBO whatever the hell they're calling now so dead silence 1997 I really recommend it especially for Kim coats role as Ted awesome yeah I have to give a shout out to the pure cinema pod

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I don't know if you listen to that podcast but they do a lot of great like deep dives into under seen movies like if you're if you just want to podcast about hidden gyms in general like that's the podcast for you because it's like you know every episode they list off like 50 and it's like I haven't heard of any of these but I feel like I've heard them talk about dead silence I've never seen it before but I do love a movie where you have a bad guy that you really believe can just

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lantern up a field of kids so that's pretty great indeed like anything can happen those kind of movies are like I know they're not pulling any punches like they might actually set all these kids on fire so yeah not that a condone violence towards children or anything but knowing the threat is there it makes your movie experience way more compelling yes yes exactly

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getting down the number two this is another 1990 not 1991 movie and speaking of pure cinema pod I've heard about this from their show and never heard of this movie before it's only been logged 3000 times but this is Ruben and Ed Ruben for needed company

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that's it yeah out of this house and maybe some of friends no yes no yes no

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head shuttle needed customers excuse me that's off you've got a big problem six six work fate brought them together hello Ruben but I

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tremendous day let's say we motor on over to the seminar and get you started on the express to the

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set no I guess you're pretty broken up but you can't and this is directed by Trent Harris and the catch for me was this has crisp and

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glover and a really outlandish ridiculous role so you got him you've also got Howard Hesman and Karen Black or kind of the other

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two names it's to go to me but the plot of this is really wacky and ridiculous so you've got reclusive Ruben he teams up with vocal but very unsuccessful

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multi-level salesman Ed Tuttle on a quest to bury Ruben's dead cat in the perfect spot which leads them to a trip through the Utah desert where they have run-ins with Ed's ex-wife Rula

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and an elusive Andy Warhol critic so this is a really just eccentric wacky movie like if I talk you into watching passion of darkly noon and like that's on your wavelength then this is like I don't know even more ridiculous so definitely watch it for

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Chris been a lover carrying around a ice chest with his frozen dead cat in it there's a line of dialogue that perfectly describes this movie which is Ed Howard Hesman the multi-level salesman guy who's just like trying to sell Ruben some sort of like pyramid scheme the whole movie and he's he calls him L weirdo because Ruben is just you know this very quirky

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like almost mute kid but you know most of this is just them trying you know it basically him Ed trying to get him and on this like scam seminar that nobody will we'll go to with him and then they're wandering through the Utah planes looking for a place to bury Ruben's dead cat

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and it's just oh okay so there there's a highlight here Chris been clever lost in thirsty in the desert drinks his own shoe sweat as well as water from the cooler that contains the remains of his default dead cat

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so yeah weird wacky stuff right there where did you see this I want to say a minor try like I have a friend that has a plaque server and he just has like a

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you know bajillion movies on there like under the undersea and stuff so I probably tracked it down on there geez all right I looked up the director Trent Harris and it says the thing he's most known for is the beaver trilogy oh yeah yeah actually that was just added to the I asked my friend ad that's the

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complex server because it's like a weird documentary with Chris been clever and Sean Penn is like them reenacting some some documentary I don't know sounds interesting looks very strange

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all right that's Ruben and Ed you said from 91 yep now I got to to that I got a seek out here my number one here is the least logged on my list 171 logs now Jordan

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just to say there was a 1999 film that started Joey pantiliano and carry on moss I'm sure that you would say the matrix right but they were in another film in 1999

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a film directed by Michael Hurst called new blood are you familiar with this one I am not what we got victims alive is condition stable for now we need to know what happened last night for every mystery

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the other day we got the contract on a kidnap y'all know we don't have to do this right I'm part like that this is us moving up there is a story the target was a mark called Robert Williams so you're the new blood for every crime of the just fine

497

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so boys are you gonna take it enough how you plan on getting in not come to door there is a victim I'm the only one that knows what happened if I can keep it like that then there's a chance that I can save my friends

498

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I need to take this man's place for every lie they got a belief that everything's run like clockwork are they gonna kill us all there is another so this was a blind buy for me because one of the Blu-ray outlets that I frequent was having like a really crazy sale on things I got this disc for two bucks nice I figured Joey Pants carry on moss

499

01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:45,800

John hurt oh yeah wrong with that can't go wrong so yeah picked out up and I was actually pleasantly surprised this one starts by showing us the aftermath of a gun battle dead people everywhere cars shot the shit blood splattered all over the place

500

01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:57,800

and there's an old guy played by John hurt who was found alive and then we cut to the hospital you've got a couple of law enforcement officers and they're setting the stage for us they said the guy that they found is named Alan White

501

01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:16,800

but they also found a recorded statement by the guy in which he says he's a car magnate named Robert Williams and so the story unfolds as the man talks to these two police officers from his hospital bed and he recounts the last day or two and you see shootouts robberies kidnappings and murders

502

01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:27,800

so it also stars Nick Moran he plays Danny he's John hurts characters son and if Nick Moran doesn't ring a bell he is one of the main characters in lock stock into smoking barrels.

503

01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:45,800

He's in this movie doing his absolute worst American accent that I've ever heard it's really something else he's got a best friend named Shawn Wayne or named Valentine played by Shawn Wands and he's part of the crew carry on moss plays a chain smoking second hand Joey Pants' character.

504

01:06:45,800 --> 01:07:14,800

His name his characters name is Helmann and he's this deranged fixer his look in this movie is absolutely amazing it looks as if he's you've seen the office before yeah you ever seen the episode where they hire the Benjamin Franklin character to come in and they think he's a stripper right yeah yeah he looks just like that Ben Franklin stripper that Michael Scott orders

505

01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:30,800

it is hilarious this hit video store shelves probably around the time that I was I started working at one and I thought this was going to be when I when I watched this I thought it was going to be one of those Tarantino Sotterberg guy Richie knockoffs that came out around that time

506

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and in some regards that's true the director tries these really stylish flourishes that I think take away from the film rather than adding to it but it is a really twisty noir that is way better than a lot of those other diamond doesn't retreads

507

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John hurt is great in this he plays a character that gets put in a very tough spot by his son while his daughter is languishing in a hospital bed awaiting a heart transplant

508

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and throughout the film we get to see why the father and son are strange we get to see what happened between them Joey pants like I said he's just chewing scenery as this guy and carry on moss is always fun she looks beautiful in this movie too as this second hand so I recommend checking out new blood from 1999 MVD also put this out on blu-ray

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I don't I think there's a commentary I haven't listened to it yet but it's not like a stacked disc but it looks great and it's one of those under seen noirs that I think deserves some attention new blood from 1999

510

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man just realizing Joey pants and carry on moss were in quite a few movies together when you mentioned them other than the matrix of you know immediately go to Memento

511

01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:57,800

you get Joey pants there too so it's like oh another noir I need to check that out all right my friend grand finale for you all right yeah I've been waiting for this because this is one that I've discovered via preparing for this show so that's always fun

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and I definitely I never heard of this it's only been logged 400 times on letter box and this is based on a unproduced Edward script so if I have your attention there this is called I woke up early the day I died

513

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it's listed as a 1998 movie because it hit some festivals but it only played once in the U.S. in 99 at like one theater in New York and then was never seen or heard from again

514

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you can watch a rip of it on internet archive which is where I saw it

515

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from the legendary lost screenplay by one of Hollywood's most original filmmakers at work in a silent for the criminally insane a madman has a state

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but a change of clothes and a stolen car are just a star of a murderous spree

517

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this stars Billy Zane and like a thousand other people in cameos but he plays a mental patient who escapes from an asylum in drag as a nurse that he's killed

518

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then he proceeds to rob a bank and go on the lamb so but you know that you know might sound basic but again like you hear that premise

519

01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:37,800

but then you got to dig into it and so if you got any idea from the other movies I've listed I enjoy pretty wacky out there ridiculous stuff

520

01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:44,800

I mean you know come on a focus on the 90s and that's you know that's kind of part and parcel for that decade

521

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but this movie is so packed with random craziness it's all it's all dialogue free for one

522

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and that was like the condition of Edwards you know widowed wife was like he wrote the script he was really dedicated to the script but he never produced it

523

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and anybody that tried to come along and make it wanted to add in dialogue but it's basically like a silent film

524

01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:21,800

it you know it harkens back to a lot of like the over the top physical comedy of Charlie Chaplin buster Keaton those days

525

01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:32,800

but it's kind of ambiguously set in the 70s where Billy Zane is coming from like what the biggest budgeted movie

526

01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:41,800

you know in the history of the 90s with Titanic he's then producing and starring in this unproduced Edward script

527

01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:57,800

and it's this black comedy silent film experiment weirdo cinema from this first time director and I don't think he made it much of anything else after his name is Eris Iliopoulos

528

01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:08,800

really sweet guy because I love this movie so much I emailed him and the composer and they got back to me and the composer Larry Grupe

529

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it's like an ode to silent film soundtracks but also just a smorgasbord of weirdness with like ambient sci-fi notes like funky breakdowns like kung fu sound effects like norin western vibe

530

01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:30,800

guitar orchestra you know like a melodramatic orchestra for all the silent film throwback stuff

531

01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:39,800

but yeah man this is like the zaniest movie I'd seen in forever it really just grabbed my attention right of the way

532

01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:51,800

because it's like an Edward thing it's a silent film thing but also has like like a punk rock and trip hop soundtrack mixed with like those melodramatic orchestra stuff too

533

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so it opens with this song this punk rock song and like this kind of fast like collage-esque editing the song is by Darcy Clay who was a New Zealand artist punk rock artist

534

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and the song is called Jesus I was evil so it's a great opening track for this like this crazy movie starring zane who's just like this kind of evil

535

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like you know twirling mustache kind of character he's this madman he escapes from the middle institution like I said in drag

536

01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:38,800

the marketing for this movie like the little that there was like leaned heavily into like him as a trans bestite because of the whole Edward connection glanner glenda stuff

537

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but he's really just in drag so he can like escape from the middle institution and he's not in drag at all for the rest of the movie

538

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but you know he's he basically like steals everything that he needs after he gets out like clothes shoes a car he robs a bank he goes on the lamb he loses the money in a coffin

539

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in some sort of like creepy cult sayhunts and a cemetery and then he goes on a murder spree to like kill all the cultists to get the money back

540

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which includes like a stripper a drunkard tippy headdren who's in this for some reason and like a very hitch cocky and homage to the birds

541

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you also have Ron Pearlman who plays a graveyard groundskeeper and he lives in some sort of like pyramid in the graveyard

542

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and he plays the bagpipes and it's a point the bagpipes are like a key you know key theme of this movie because Billy Zane's character has some sort of like sensitive air condition

543

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where anytime like he you know he's like out in the real world now out of the silent when he starts hearing all this noise and it's like intercut with like PSA like stock footage like we just like a really wild movie

544

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but he you know he starts like having these convulsions where like he just can't take the real world and all the noise that's out here and the bagpipes don't help for sure

545

01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:16,800

but you've got again Karen Black you've got Andrew McCarthy and Steven Weber you've got Christina Ricci in here as a hooker

546

01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:29,800

it's just like insane the amount of cameos that they got in the late 90s basically everybody was just like yeah I want to be in an Edward movie and they got just everybody you could possibly think of I mean this has the guy who played

547

01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:34,800

lurch in the 90s Adams family and Jonathan Taylor Thomas

548

01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:50,800

like wait what is this um yeah it's it's just so wildly edited to it's in it's just like stock footage and then like the actual screenplay of Edward script comes on screen at times

549

01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:58,800

like fill in the details and you hear like the typewriter noise and stuff it's just like so tongue and cheek weird on purpose

550

01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:14,800

it's just mixing all these things like slapstick silent film exploitation of the 70s like unintentional camp of the Edward 50s films and then just like weirdo outside or 90s art

551

01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:27,800

it's just it's wild man I definitely encourage anybody to go check this out on internet archive again maybe this not be everybody's bag and they would just be like oh this is boring or I hate it

552

01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:44,800

or it's too stupid the critics like they did see this just pandit and like hated it but man I really had a good time watching this like uneironically 5 out of 5 just for how like wild and experimental and weird and fun it was

553

01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:56,800

all right that's I woke up early the day I died from 1998 it's kind of insane that Billy Zane went from the most popular movie of the 90s to one of the least popular movies of the 90s

554

01:16:56,800 --> 01:17:08,800

it's it's really weird I guess they just got him on board for this and he's like okay like I like the script I like what you're doing here you know everybody's just like okay I want to make this

555

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unproduced Edward script and then if you really want to dive into the 90s nostalgia with me the movies original 1998 website is still alive somehow

556

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so you can go check that out and I spent like an yeah it basically looks like a geocity's website what's like the web designer who made this apparently the the check bounced after the films distribution company went bankrupt like the day after it premiered

557

01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:55,800

so it's like somehow this this website still exists and I spent like an hour trying to track down a flash player that would work on my computer because you know like I guess around 2021 they stopped using flash

558

01:17:55,800 --> 01:18:16,800

and there's this like stupid makeover game that you can download from the website and basically you're like taking the the nurse clothes off of Billy Zane and putting like his weird 70s like huge collared shirt and vest outfit on him like

559

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but it's got like the punk rock song in the background and everything I don't know it's just like very very niche nostalgic for me wow all right I'm gonna look at the website I will put the link in the show notes so everybody can try and play this Billy Zane game because that sounds amazing

560

01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:44,800

another fun link here I looked up I woke up early the day I died on IMDB and I went to the cast there and there's a guy named Michael Green that is also in Ruben and Ed

561

01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:54,800

so you have the same actor in your one and two nice I did not realize that he's the fourth guy listed is this nice bucket head now I was like I just saw that guy

562

01:18:54,800 --> 01:19:04,800

yeah I'm in Ruben and Ed that's where I saw him that's awesome well that's three movies on your list that I've never even heard of so I can't wait to check that one out

563

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we're gonna recap our list for the listeners and then we'll get some honorable mentions I'm sure you have a couple I have like six that I want to talk about real quick

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but I'll recap my list first and you could go after me I've got at number five city of industry from 1997 at number four I've got heavens prisoners from 1996 at number three I've got angel town from 1990

565

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at number two dead silence from 1997 and my number one hidden gem from the 90s new blood from 1999

566

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awesome and yeah a lot of good stuff there quite a few that I have not seen or I was not familiar with so

567

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giving me some good homework here to check out for my list I had at number five stone cold from 1991

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number four fresh from 1994

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number three the passion of darkly noon from 1995 number two Ruben and Ed the crazy christmium Glover lost in the desert movie 1991

570

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and my number one I woke up early the day I died from 1998 I'm calling it 99 because it only showed once in 99

571

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but yeah my number one with a bullet definitely check it out I had a great time with that one it sounds like your number one and two would be like a great one to punch there oh yeah there would be a great double bill just for you're in like a weird wacky mood

572

01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:53,800

wow all right I'm sure you got some honorable mentions any that just narrowly missed your list that you want to mention yeah I really debated on putting deep cover from 1992 on my list

573

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I feel like it's got the criteria now which is what turned me on to it so I feel like it probably is a little too big at this point but I feel like yeah it was one that kind of got lost over the years

574

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and you know they're giving good attention to it but that's with Lawrence Fishburn and Jeff Goldboom and another neo-noir and a neon soaked neo-noir again undercover drug dealer stuff there

575

01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:34,800

but I really love that movie it's really great so thought about putting that one on speaking of criterion and hidden gems they also just put out dog fight from 91

576

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and that's got my beloved river Phoenix one my favorite actors hit him and what's her name Lily Tomlin

577

01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:57,800

I haven't seen dog fight I just know that it came out recently yeah but it's great he's really great in it it's it's basically dog fight is him and his military

578

01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:06,800

military buddies they're about to go off to Vietnam so it's set in the seven or late 60s of leave and they have this game

579

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where whoever can get the ugliest date to come to their dance wins like some money so he's you know it's just horrible premise it starts off you think like this guy is just a turtle a turtle asshole no a total asshole

580

01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:33,800

but yeah he ends up it ends up being like this kind of sensitive character piece between damn it is it Lily Tomlin or Lily Taylor I'm gonna hate myself for that

581

01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:48,800

but anyway between river Phoenix Lily Taylor Lily Taylor okay thank you yeah so it's just this sensitive like character study between them so really interesting like kind of romantic bent to it

582

01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:57,800

you know that starts off rough and then you know goes and should this just kind of you know one night of them hanging out and like walking around the city and stuff

583

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so yeah it's definitely worth a watch and now that it's on criteria and it's some shirts gonna look beautiful I had another one from that was just introduced by criteria into a lot of people that was John sales

584

01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:18,800

loan star that was the one that I kind of used as my lip miss I think that one was at like 27,000 logs or 26,000 logs something like that so

585

01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:29,800

little over what I wanted to come in at same with red rock West which is another great noir movie starring Nicholas Cage and Dennis Hopper that was not a fun yeah that's a lot of fun

586

01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:41,800

sticking with the noir theme Browns Requiem which I believe came out in 98 or 99 that's a real fun noir that I saw recently with Michael Rooker as a PI

587

01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:56,800

okay let's see I featured this one on a list before so I didn't put it on here but I really wanted to 1997's the wrong guy yeah remember I've heard you talked about that one a few times and I'm really curious to watch it yeah stars Dave Foley

588

01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:05,800

and that is one of the funniest movies I've ever seen it is really really funny so check that out running at a time which is a Johnny tow movie

589

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but I didn't put it on here because I figured we could do another list of like 90s hidden gems non non US 90s and gems yeah keep that one in the pocket for later and then now that you're into VHS collecting keep your eyes open for a VHS release of dead boys can't fly from 1992

590

01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:55,800

it's a real weird like these crazy right wingers take over an office building and terrorize the people in the office building but it's one that has always intrigued me you can watch it on YouTube it has only ever been released on VHS and it's a pretty rare tape so I have an eBay alert set up for some reason I don't even have a VCR but for some reason whenever a dead boys can't fly comes up on there I'm I'm getting that alert so I'll shoot it to you next time I see one.

591

01:24:55,800 --> 01:25:24,800

Alright alright awesome I had a few more I can run through if we have time yeah so just a kind of list off real quick so pump up the volume 1990 I mean I feel like it's probably you know bigger than what we're talking about here but you know Christian Slater Samantha more yes Samantha Mathis I just love them together get them later on with broken arrow I don't know I just always feel like Christian Slater is kind of an underdog in a way

592

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in a way I mean plays it he plays it in a lot of movies but again another guy I'm like I know he was a big movie star but I always just like bomb myself in the 90s rooting for him and wanting to see him you know go bigger than he did and I mean he's he's done a lot of great stuff but you know Christian Slater early 90s as a pirate radio station host named Happy Heart on Harry

593

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pretty much the precursor of all podcasters you know so I love that movie so original podcast that that's right the OG but yeah we did a we did a episode on film shake for that one early on that's been one of my favorite episodes over the years and

594

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SLC punk be another ones kind of like one of our strangely enough like not a you know it's a Matthew Lillard movie it's you know from the 90s but it's I wouldn't say it's like a huge movie or anything but it's like our most listened to episode on film shake somehow I don't know people are just searching punk and they're finding us that way but I love that movie so much I don't know how hidden that really is but you know it deserves some love all these movies

595

01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:55,800

deserve more love you know no matter how many logs they've got in my mind that reminded me of when you were talking about Christian Slater there's a movie from the early mid 90s called untamed heart yes which also stars Marissa to may that's probably one that hasn't been

596

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that's not very much on letterbox to yeah yeah this the one where he's convinced he has a baboon heart I still need to see that one out honestly let's get you out of here I know it's late by you let's do some plugs where can people find more of your work yeah pretty much any podcaster any platform spotify Apple podcast whatever

597

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you just search film shake the 90s movies podcast up next we've got an episode on idle hands and teaching Mrs. Tingle I'm really excited about that I've been waiting to do idle hands for a Halloween

598

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episode but yeah you can find us on any podcast app you can find us over on Twitter at 90s movies pod so yeah check us out hope you enjoy the show

599

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all right links to everything Jordan and film shake will be in the show notes as well as the website for I woke up early on the day I died so I'm gonna check that out

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I gotta give it some love indeed Jordan thanks so much for coming on man this is a great topic and I had a lot of fun watching a lot of these movies for the first time that I had seen on video store shelves back when I was working at at the store

601

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yeah man thanks so much for having me has been really great what did we leave off that should have been on our lists let me know by emailing me at force five podcast gmail.com you'll find links to support guests and force five in the show notes to very easy and very free ways to support me are to review force five wherever you get your podcasts and tell your friends about the show

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